Energetic Authenticity: Maike Gabriela on Projector Deconditioning, Human Design & the New Paradigm
EP 54

Energetic Authenticity: Maike Gabriela on Projector Deconditioning, Human Design & the New Paradigm

Show Notes: 

In this inspiring conversation, Tonya Papanikolov welcomes Maike Gabriela—human design reader and deconditioning expert—for a deep, honest exploration of what it means to live, work, and parent in energetic authenticity. Together, they unpack the process of deconditioning, reclaiming “lost” parts of ourselves, the coming shift in human consciousness, and how we can all begin to truly embody our unique gifts. Whether you’re deep into human design or just awakening to the power of energy, this episode is a nourishing, practical, and paradigm-shifting guide to living and leading in alignment.

Topics covered:

  • What deconditioning really means and how childhood shapes our energetic patterns
  • Maike’s personal journey from burnout and shame to purpose and deep alignment
  • Human design types, especially projectors: understanding magnetism and authentic success
  • What to expect from the 2027 “paradigm shift” and how individuality will shape our future
  • How to cultivate energetic intelligence, set boundaries, and build real magnetism in your field
  • The importance of rest, following your strategy, and trusting your authentic rhythm—especially for projectors
  • Practical next steps for anyone feeling stuck, disconnected, or hungry for deeper alignment

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Show Transcript:

 

Tonya Papanikolov: Maika. Hello, welcome to the Rainbo podcast.

Maike Gabriela: Hi Tonya. Thank you so much.

Tonya Papanikolov: As you know, I'm so excited to have this conversation with you.

Maike Gabriela: Me too.

Tonya Papanikolov: I'm very excited and selfishly I was telling you how I really only want it to be focused on projector things, but we will cover the gamut. So I love to start every episode by us tuning into something we're grateful for. So what is something that has been sparking that feeling of gratitude in you lately?

Maike Gabriela: Understanding that the most valuable thing I have is how I show up every day in my life. So I recently had this realization that has been really like new just this thought that came that it's just very close to me right now. And I always thought or my way of operating was like, I need to achieve these things to have this grand life so that when I pass, when I die, getting right in the beginning already talk about that, we're talking about that. But I was thinking, wow, once we make it, I thought, you know, how can I die peacefully? Like my father passed a year and a little bit ago, a year and a half ago, and it was easy for me to let him go because it was like you live you juice life like the way that this man lived life and that's what I want for my life as well. But he also was very successful and I was like, you know what, it doesn't even matter. I feel like I've achieved a lot for what I wanted and you know, what I thought was possible for me. But even if I don't achieve the grand vision and all of the things I would like to achieve, just the way that I decide to show up every day in my life, that is what I'm gonna be extremely proud of when it's over.

Tonya Papanikolov: I love that thought so much. I similarly share those sentiments around energy and something that's been very present for me lately has been like, I think energetic boundaries, really energetic and spiritual boundaries and, and understanding those in such a more nuanced ability and level and all the things that really come into that as a sensitive person who really feels energy, I'm practicing like walking into a new space and energetically meeting that space and introducing myself. And so I think what has come with this subtle realization that the energy is everything and that I can breathe in air, but I can also breathe in vital air. And that's through the what the yogis and the esoterics believe is like solar, the real prana and bringing that into my body. So I think there's just fine tuned awareness of how can I really just be in my most magnetic, powerful energy on a daily basis?

Maike Gabriela: I love that so much because how I call what you're talking about is energetic intelligence. And so I recently launched this membership called the Soft Power Club. Soft power membership. And it's all about embodying your energetic authenticity. And that's what I teach. I teach for you to become aware and cultivate energetic intelligence. Because in the age of AI and where we have no idea what's real, what's fake, where everybody's pretending something on social media, where people are telling you they're, you know, like super successful, but then they're like stealing the food from the catering of the photo shoot because they don't have enough to eat. In this age where it's so hard for us to gauge what's real, what's authentic, having energetic intelligence is gonna save our ass. And I really feel like that's what you're talking about. You're like, I'm sensing, I'm understanding. And it's something that is not tangible in that way, but it becomes, once you cultivate the understanding for it 100%.

Tonya Papanikolov: I love that soft power. I was looking at that the other day.

Maike Gabriela: That's so beautiful.

Tonya Papanikolov: And it's such powerful work. So you are a human design reader, deconditioning expert. Can we start with deconditioning as a general place and hearing a bit about your deconditioning journey and how that even continues to evolve.

Maike Gabriela: So I would start with maybe setting the ground of what is deconditioning really? So the idea of deconditioning is something that we talk a lot about in human design because it comes from this understanding that, that I truly believe that our soul has come into this lifetime whole knowing exactly what experiences, what opportunities, what people, what chances, what abundance is meant for us in this lifetime. And this is all sitting kind of like in this icloud. And our aura has the key. Our aura holds the password to connect the things that are meant for us in our lifetime, to bring this into our reality. And so conditioning is kind of like this slime that is sitting on top of our aura, not allowing our soul and our energy to communicate with the things that are meant for us. And I feel like a lot of us that are like continuously searching for a higher self, for more information, to go deeper, to understand our trauma or pattern, to want to up level and expand. It's because our soul knows that there's something brighter and bigger waiting for us. And that is because our subconscious knows all of these amazing things are there for me, but why am I not getting them? And so the reason why you're not getting them is because you have all of this conditioning that is like preventing you from actually step into your energetic authenticity to attract and align with the things that are meant for you. And so what happens is that when we were little and we showed ourselves authentically, oftentimes in our environment, our caretakers shamed us for authentic selves or even emotionally or physically abused us. And so as this act of survival, because as humans, and I love this quality about us so much, there's nothing that we long for more than love, safety and a sense of belonging. So oftentimes, in order to feel safe and to feel like we belong, we will reject parts of our whole authentic self. And when we reject parts of that whole authentic self that we've come into the world to express and to share, we started separating. We have this experience in psychology, it's called the lost self. And when we experience this love self, this is like a very human experience. We start feeling that emptiness inside. And that emptiness inside, we try to fill it with intense but toxic relationships with trying to be incredibly successful at work, with substances, with material things. And we try to fill that emptiness we feel with things that we try to pull from the outside. But what human design teaches us is really that we're able to, once we understand and honor who we've come to be and embrace our unique imprint, that then we find that healing, we find that togetherness. And when we're back to our whole authentic self, we can pull off that conditioning. We can really like unburden us from the shackles of the conditioning so that we can go back to aligning with the things that are truly meant for our soul.

Tonya Papanikolov: It's quite the process of unraveling and it's a death and a rebirth and it's. It's a time consuming process. So what was that like for you? Was that kind of in 2020 that that shedding of the skin was happening or were you aware of this before?

Maike Gabriela: No, I was aware of this before. I was aware of this before. I think 2020 was an incredible year for me because it's when I started my human design business and was fascinating to watch so many people struggle and so many people feeling lost and so many people having time and a pause the first time in their life actually asking themselves truly believe Covid was this like portal that ripped us all open and accelerated. Like if we look at the speed of transformation and consciousness that has happened since 2020. It's wild. It's truly wild. Spectacular. But my personal process started earlier and I think I feel like it really began with the birth of my daughter. So my Saturn return was very intense. I was in a deep spiral of shame, using drugs, hanging out with very toxic, dark people in a very dark environment. And then I kind of got my shit together because I realized that's definitely not who I want to be and what I want my life to be about. Cleaned up my act, moved to Austria, whatever started my underwear brand. But the moment that I started my sustainable underwear brand, literally, like after three years of trying to get a pattern made, the second I had my pattern, like in the same month of like, finally having the product that I had been working for on for three years, I also found out I was pregnant. And I was like, no. I mean, she was more than desired, but it was still like, oh my God, what I'm having to. At the same time, this is not what I had in mind.

Tonya Papanikolov: Oh, yes to the brand. Baby.

Maike Gabriela: Yeah, yeah, Just one actual baby. But you know how it is when you have a brand. You know how it is when you're a founder, when you're creating something like that becomes your life, you're trying a way to sustain it. You're all your intention is focused on making the business survive. But then when you have an actual baby, it's like, okay, I need to focus my attention. And so I think that having a child really, like, unraveled this deep desire of not wanting to continue my trauma onto my kid. And I started doing, you know, like, inner child healing and reading a lot. My mom is a psychotherapist, so I've always had this interest and always had these conversations in my house and this understanding and like, you know, these tools around me that would help me understand myself better and others better. So there was always an interest, a genuine interest. And because I am a projector, I think even since I can't remember, I always felt like I was going to be some kind of therapist or psychologist or I could read people so well that I always felt called to that. But I didn't really quit school when I was 16, so the degree thing kind of fell off. But so my realization really came with this deep struggle of, like, being a new mom, my unaware business failing, feeling so lost, feeling so ashamed that another of my businesses was again about to fail. Not understanding. I had my second burnout by the age of 30 and autoimmune disease, you know, unhappy with my weight. At some point My autoimmune disease got so bad before I had my child, actually, that I couldn't even brush my hair or cut my own food. There was just such an accumulation of shit that was, like, going on at that time. And then the no sleep, the stress of being a mom, you know, I stopped working. I focused on my kid. So it was a very intense relationship that I had with her with motherhood. She was also not an easy child. She's still not an easy child, but it was a very intense time. But no, sleep is like torture. So it was just, like, accumulation of stuff, and I was just so desperate, and I was just like, what? Why does nothing ever work? Does God hate me? Am I never going to make my dreams a reality? Why am I doing everything right? Like, I was working for the underwear brand. I was working even when I was pregnant and even when I had her, and she was just basically just sleeping. The first four months, I was, like, working 18 hours a day, writing 250 emails, cold emailing people. And yes, you can get something out of pushing and, like, forcing things, but I was not able to make that business sustainable. So at some point, I was like, it doesn't make sense to put that much time into something that's not making me money or any sign of recognition. Everything was going wrong. If something could go wrong, it was. You know, I felt like the universe was like, girl, stop it. No. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, no, no, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make it. Like, the way that I have ambition and grit is like, I'm gonna make it do whatever burnout, and I get sick. And, like, anyways, the universe was like, no, you're not gonna make it. And I was like, okay. And then it was one of those moments of desperation in the middle of the night between, like, breastfeeding my daughter and, like, not even knowing my name, like, lack of sleep. I listen to a podcast, so I love podcasts. I'm so happy we're on a podcast. And the podcast was saying something about being a projector in your human design. And I'm like, I have no idea what this means, but I'm a projector, and everything in my life makes sense. And if I am honest now, I look back and I believe I had miraculous healing in that moment. The way that that information changed my brain chemistry was like, oh, my God, I'm not broken. God doesn't hate me. It's actually all for me. Oh, my God, the relief. And I see this in my sessions all the Time. The physical release of the tension of like, oh, my God, nothing's wrong with me. Everything's okay. Everything's actually working out for me. Nobody's trying to punish me. This is actually for me. So when I discovered that, that's when I surrendered. I'm like, okay. The reason nothing has ever worked out was because if it would have worked out, I would have been inauthentic and unaligned and going against the way that I'm naturally meant to operate. And the way that I'm naturally meant to operate is the way that I'm going to express my purpose. So purpose is a thing that is. You know, everybody's like, what's my purpose? What's my purpose? And so your purpose is not that far off. Thing that is so hard to find. Your purpose is literally just showing up authentically every day and sharing your gifts and talents with the world. It's not that complicated. But then it's also very complicated because people are like, oh, you should just be authentic. And I'm like, what does that even mean? Just be you? I'm like, I have no idea who that is. Like, just be used the worst advice I've ever heard in my life, right? Like, it's. What do you mean? I am me. What do you mean? You know, who else could I be?

Tonya Papanikolov: Yeah, exactly.

Maike Gabriela: Like, these things, you know, there's some of these spiritual things, like authenticity, and there's a couple of things where I'm like, what does it actually mean? We all kind of know what it means, but do we really know what it means?

Tonya Papanikolov: This was one of my questions for you, right?

Maike Gabriela: It's questionable. It's like, we are supposed to know. We kind of know, but do we actually know? Anyways, this is what happened. The moment that I heard I was a project in human design, I realized the things that weren't working for me were actually a gift. And the moment that I realized that nothing was going against me, but that actually everything was perfectly orchestrated for me, I was able to surrender. I was able to let go. And then I just put one foot in front of the other. And that allowed me to expand. That allowed me to, like, just figure out new things. Starting understanding my energy, starting to work from my energetic authenticity, applying my strategy for waiting as a projector, waiting for the invitation as a projector, and so on. And then three years later, I finally found, you know, some resources where I'm like, okay, I can study the human design information. And at that time, there really wasn't anything out there. And Everything was so ugly that I was like, I don't know if I can contribute to human design, but I can definitely make it nicer. And I swear, the first year, 80% of the people in my readings were like, you know what? I discovered human design. 3, 5, 10, 15, 3, whatever, two years ago. But it never felt called to it until I saw how you do it. Because there's an access point like the same that we're cultivating energetic intelligence. I truly believe people like you and I and everybody that resonates with what we put out also have aesthetic intelligence. There is an aesthetic language that allows us to communicate via a vibration of a sense of a feeling of. Of something that is untangible.

Tonya Papanikolov: 100%. Yeah.

Maike Gabriela: And then I studied human design. And literally a week after my certification, Covid hit. Wow. Yes. Wild. All my jobs got canceled. Postponed, which was a joke. Postponed, obviously. Canceled, canceled and postponed. I was freelancing as a creative director and an artistic director, whatever. It was like doing music video clips and, like, car commercials and stuff like that. Just, like, trying to hustle a bit to keep afloat. All of those things disappeared. And then I was just, like, sitting with my kid at home being like, okay, so what do we do now? And I just started to show up online, and I think you still have it on my highlight on my Instagram. And it's like me with all my crispy hair from postpartum, hair loss from breastfeeding, you know, being like, hi. So there's this thing called Human Design, and I see myself and I'm like, oh, my God, you're so cute. But that was wild because all of my businesses before that were so hard. Everything I had tried to, like, push just never worked in with Human Design. Within a couple of months, and I got featured on it. Whatever. It was a whole thing, right? It was a journey of things that happened. But within six months of launching my re, it wasn't even a business, if I'm honest. I would do everything via DM and by paper, journal, you know, like writing it out, my agenda, paper and pen and copy, pasting my payment information. Everything was via Instagram, DM and my agenda. But within, I don't know, less than six months, I started to be booked out a month in advance. And that was like this for two years.

Tonya Papanikolov: Wow. Wow.

Maike Gabriela: So it just took off.

Tonya Papanikolov: That's amazing. And I think one of the things that I love that you say and something that I've really learned, when I first learned I was a projector, I'm also A quad right projector, which I wanted to talk to you about.

Maike Gabriela: I'm a quad left.

Tonya Papanikolov: You're a quad left. Oh, cool. But I think something that really resonated for me, aside from just learning about it, was the way that I could use my emotions, like bitterness or frustration to be the cue that there's something there that is out of alignment that's calling me towards a new system. Like recently it was a new system where I just got bitter because I didn't delegate. And so it was kind of like this lesson for me. But can you speak?

Maike Gabriela: What's your profile?

Tonya Papanikolov: I'm a 2 5, I believe.

Maike Gabriela: Okay. That's pretty rare.

Tonya Papanikolov: Yes, 2 5. So can you speak to that a little bit in terms of something that I have really struggled with understanding was bitterness as a quality. Like, what is that? I find frustration easy. I find fear or anger easier. But what about bitterness?

Maike Gabriela: I think bitterness is a really tough one. Interestingly enough, a lot of times we have transference of our not self theme, so we can make other people really bitter too. So that's like an interesting thing to take into account. Bitterness is really that pent up emotion and feeling. It is a different layer of frustration. And it is really that. It's that bitterness. It's like that sour taste in your mouth of like, why do all these people have the things I truly deserve? And it's pointing at other people and being like, I'm much better than her. I'm much better than him. I don't know why they are there. I should be there. Why am I not there? I know how to do this better. I'm like, more this. And I'm, you know, it's seeing other people's success because our signature, our sign that we are aligned is success. And so when we see other people in our highest expression, there's this thing of like, why isn't it working for me? I mean, the fact of the matter is because projectors have a penetrating aura. You are going to be able to see other people's path so much clearer than they see themselves. And you can see how somebody got to that success. And you might think like, oh, I can emulate that. Abc. I'll do ABC never works because it's not your unique path and because you're a projector and most people just aren't right. So it has a very distinct flavor how projectors get to their success. It's very individual. You can copy other people's trajectory, but copying a projector's trajectory is like, there's so much magic happening that it's hard to see because it's not an initiative process where I do ABC and I get ABC result, which happens with generators and manifesting generators. Right? Because there's so much magic and there's so much of the unseen happening as a projector, it's really hard to quantify and to copy paste the path to success. So that is what bitterness is for projectors. And it also comes up when it's this thing of, like, look at all the things I've achieved. Look, my clients are so happy. This is, like, this over wanting to perform, this over trying to prove to everybody how much you work, how good you are, how much money you're making. There's something about trying to prove other people, trying to get other people to see you in a way that is forceful and that is not natural to the recognition of, like, the energetic dynamics that the projector is meant to express.

Tonya Papanikolov: And as it relates to deconditioning, does every energy type have deconditioning work to do? Because I understand projectors and reflectors, we are living in this kind of generator world, and so I understand the deconditioning for us might look slightly different than for others. But does every energy type have some level of deconditioning work to do?

Maike Gabriela: Yes, absolutely. And it's interesting because this is so fascinating, right? We feel like our package is so heavy and it's so hard because poor projector in this generator world, it's so tough for us. But I've had conversations with manifesting generators being like, we have projector envy. And I'm like, projector envy. I'm like, I have manifesting generator envy. Like, what? So it is so fascinating because I see this in the comments of my Instagram, where it's like, oh, it's so hard to be manifesting. It's so hard to be perfect. Every energy type feels like it's the hardest to be their energy type. So it's not so much about the energy type. Think we embody the energy type that allows our soul to process whatever it is we've come to, like, rearrange in this Tikun. So human design is made out of I Ching, the Chinese like, old system. And it's made out of Kabbalah, and it's also made out of quantum physics, genetics, which is so interesting because I just got my DNA testing done and I can see projector all over my DNA. Like, my DNA is telling me I'm a projector. So what? I'm so gonna get into that like literally I looked at it yesterday. So I'm like just newly into like, wow. I can read my projectedness and my DNA. So genetics is inside the human design system. And so Kabbalah talks about tikkun. Tikkun is your karma. It is like the past life that you come to correct in this lifetime. And one of my favorite things about the tun process and the understanding of this life is that it's not so much that our parents traumatized us and now we have to heal ourselves from the trauma of our parents, but it's actually we chose the parents that would bring up the pain that we need to heal that we're carrying from our past life. So it is our past life that shows these specific parents and circumstance and background. So it's not so much about blaming them, but actually understanding that they're just here to awakening something we come to repair from a past life. It's not that they are breaking us in this lifetime and we're healing from it. So deconditioning is literally for everybody. Generators have a huge. They have like a generational karma to decondition from people pleasing. 99.9% of generators have a very strong deconditioning process around people pleasing. The biggest, actually.

Tonya Papanikolov: Wow, sorry. You said generators for that or manifesting generators.

Maike Gabriela: Yeah, generators, Generators, generators.

Tonya Papanikolov: And what about many gens?

Maike Gabriela: Yeah, so manifesting generators in the human design OG 1.0 version of human design, which I personally don't subscribe to. Manifesting generators were just seen as a subcategory to the generator, which I'm like, have you ever met a manifesting generator? There's no way you can put them in the stuff category to anything. Like what? So they have their own potest in my world. Like I always make something specifically for them. But it is true that the way that they operate their strategy, the way that they collaborate with the universe, is very similar to generators. So there is like a similarity in their programming and in their deconditioning process. But because manifestors usually have a pretty dominant body graph and energy, they're not as. As succumbing to people pleasing as generators are.

Tonya Papanikolov: I want to talk about the hustle culture that we're all in. And I also know I don't really understand it, but I keep hearing people talk about 2026 as this turning point year. And I would love just like what is happening in 2026, which is next year, which is wild. But I think just speaking to like the hustle culture bit and this world that we live in where there's just so much output and there is a classic way that success looks in a lot of ways. And so what is the deconditioning process for that? What is the process with that? How do we actually engage in that process?

Maike Gabriela: So many things to share. So from the human design perspective, it's actually 2027. So we have the new paradigm shift in 2027. This is a shift in consciousness. How this looks like from the human design perspective is that the last 400 years we have been influenced by a background frequency called the cross of planning. The cross of planning has taught us strategy, has sought as discipline, has given us these outer authorities, like politics, like doctors, like lawyers, the law system, all of these things, right? Like these very strong outer authorities that are telling this this is right and this is wrong. But now, as we're getting so close to 2027, we're already noticing the energy that's happening that's going to change and awaken us. And the next phase of this transition is called the cross of the sleeping clinics. And so what happens is that this is going to be from the human design perspective, I'm not promising anything, but from the human design perspective, this is going to be the first time in the history of humankind that we will be able to express our consciousness in the most purest individual form. So individuality, which is something that we're talking a lot about, that we're seeing a lot about that there's such a high emphasis on my personal experience, my way of learning, my way of working. Like we are so, so hyper focused on my ideal, perfect individual way of achieving X, Y and Z, like, of living right. We have so many different ways of seeing success, so many different ways of raising our children. And that's because there's unique consciousness expressed without that tribal idea that we used to have the last 400 years. So the last 400 years, it has been all about, I will sacrifice my dream for my children to have a better life. It's the American dream, actually. It's like I'm leaving my doctor's degree in my country to become a cab driver in New York so that my children can become whatever. We no longer see this. New generations no longer want to sacrifice their own purpose, their own talents and gifts for the good of the tribe. And so this is the main shift. And if we look at society like our politicians have become memes every time we go to the doctor and they're like, oh, just take the prescription pill, we're like, let me check GPT my symptoms and come up with a, you know, healthy alternative that won't just put a band aid on it and act actually will allow me to, like, heal. So, you know, the school system is very questionable. We've all been through it. We've all hated it. Nobody of us ever learned anything that was actually worth our while. So. And this is going to influence, and I think particularly interesting that you are fascinated by this because the new paradigm is reflective of the quad, right? All your arrows turning to the right are actually indications that you are here to embody the new paradigm for us to lead. And so this means for you that you just don't fit in in what you have been taught the last 400 years. So not only are you a projector, but being a quite right is actually triple, quadruple complicated because none of the parameters work for you. That's why systems aren't working for you and are making you bitter because you're not somebody who's meant to build anything on systems. You're like, I don't want to do this last time. It's driving me insane. It's true. It's true.

Tonya Papanikolov: So nobody is looking to me to build the system, thank God.

Maike Gabriela: Yeah, exactly. But you still have to, like, do you have to abate to the system? It might be getting complicated. So talking about deconditioning, talking about hustling, talking about, interestingly enough, the projector is the newest energy type. But the projector is also the energy type that is going to lead us into the new paradigm. Because right now, society works in a way that when we have a problem, we build ourselves out of a problem. The generator, with their creative energy generator manifesting generator, will start building. We'll start creating. You know that. Let's do this, let's do that. This no longer works anymore. And so the projector is here not to reinvent the wheel, but to make things more affordable, faster, easier, better, simpler, more easy to understand. It's optimizing. And when the projector optimizes, the reason why projectors have success at their signatures, because your success, Tonya, is directly proportioned to how much success you bring into other people's lives. It is impossible to be selfishly successful as a projector because only through guiding other people to their success. Meaning we're here to create systems, to create products, to create whatever it is to optimize all of humanity so that they stop wasting their time on doing stupid shit that has nothing to do with their talents and their gifts and that we can all move into Our purpose in the near future, 2027. And so the projector with their different way of working that doesn't fit into the system is going to be the leader because you're going to show the world how you don' equate hours of time with quality of work. So as a projector, the main thing that I want, any projector, listening, taking away today is like your worth does not come from how much you do, but how well you're able to explain what only you can see, that is your maximum roi, that's like your maximum value. And so your worth as a projector has nothing to do with how much you do, but actually with how well you're able to explain what only you can see. So in society we can be in a soul crushing job that we are getting depressed, that we're getting sick, that we're getting demotivated, losing our sensual side. All motivation is gone. We clock into our nine to five that's draining our soul and we know it every single day. But it's okay because we get a paycheck. What is this crazy society? Why are we doing this? If we will be paying people for their passion, for their qualification, for their effort, for their excitement, for their talent, nobody will be in a shitty job anymore because we wouldn't be paying you for hours, we will be paying you for talent, for like your application to what you're doing. So this is what the future is going to look like. Nobody wants to have a 9 to 5 that's draining their soul. Look at Gen Z. I don't know what generation you are, but yeah, I'm Gen Z. Yeah, there you go.

Tonya Papanikolov: I love that explanation. Thank you for just like all of the clarity and thank God we're moving into that time and how incredible it is that this was I imagine projected many hundreds of years ago in the past. And now at this juncture in humanity we also have technology and everybody doing their own creative self expression with platforms.

Maike Gabriela: Explain that deeper to me.

Tonya Papanikolov: So I don't know how many thousands or hundreds of years ago it was projected of this time of 2027, the sleeping Phoenix kind of shift in consciousness. I guess many ancient cultures have done that but it couldn't have been written better that we would have had to start the technological revolution when it started that the Internet has come online, that that is raising consciousness, raising awareness in both positive, negative, in all the ways good and bad, but largely so much good is hopefully coming from it. If we can as a society really like rally around that and continue the evolution of our species. But I just think it's so fascinating that we are evolving with technology in such an interesting way that can positively support us through this time.

Maike Gabriela: I love that so much because everybody I talk to hates social media and hates technology. And I'm like, I love it. I think it's so cool. But I'm here to talk about human design. I'll spread a bit of my personal ideas into it, but from the human design perspective, actually, because we're going through this process of individualization and we're losing this tribal concept. There's also in the new paradigm, we talk about the Rave children. So the Rave children are these new kind of humans that actually put us in a position. This is a bit woo. And this is like looking into the future. This is some of the information that the channel or human design gave us that is out there. But I'm going to share it because I feel like your audience is going to enjoy at least hearing about it. If it will come true, we will have to see. The idea is that we're actually called Homos intransitus and that our species is just transitioning. We are here to break into the new paradigm. But actually the rave children that are being born in 2027 will be a new kind of species that don't see with their eyes, but actually see frequencies. And so there's going to be the way that we had Neanderthaler and Homo sapiens living co living with each other. We're gonna have the same experience. They say it's going to be similarly to like how we exist with animals. There's also some sources say that we will be able to communicate with animals in 2027. So that is going to be interesting when all the cows will like create a revolution because we've like for centuries. I don't know that I'm like excited. I have no, but that's wild.

Tonya Papanikolov: I want to add a couple things. So I've been really into the telepathy tapes.

Maike Gabriela: Ah, yeah.

Tonya Papanikolov: So interesting following this like experience I had in Japan where dead people started to talk to me. And so I've been really into understanding telepathy more. And well, what's interesting is that, I mean there's so many possible reasons why autism is rising, but that neurodivergence, I see it as some sort of evolutionary edge and it's our human nervous systems expanding to start to prepare for what is to come. Because we are going to have senses beyond our current ones. And that is going to be something that future Generations possess and carry. So it's like, I believe a lot of what you just shared. I do think we're moving towards that. If it's going to happen right in 2027, it's probably like, you know, the shift is starting.

Maike Gabriela: But yeah, autism is actually one of the signs of the new paradigm. Like, we have a couple, but autism is one of them because we're shifting now. We are nine centered being. So there's two more awareness centers that add to the chakras that we know. And then in 2027, there's said to be this change and shift in our energy center. So I think we will have 11. And. And there's like energies that are breaking up. So the body graph will look different and there's some splitting of it. So. Absolutely. There's like a chromosomic shift in the way that we are going to be perceived and the way that we're going to show up in the world. So I totally agree with what you're saying.

Tonya Papanikolov: Wow. Yeah. That's very exciting.

Maike Gabriela: I think it's exciting. I think one of the things that recently happened, I don't know how far it got into the news, but in Spain, we had a complete blackout for 12 hours, where there was no Internet, no phone, no electricity for 12 hours. So I was jumping on a meeting and I'm like, where's the Internet gone? Maybe it's in my office. I went to my home also. I went to the street. I'm like, where's the signal? I was so confused. I'm like, what? And then I realized that electricity was gone. And then I realized that everybody's electricity was gone. And then there was a cab driver on the street that's like, no, all of Barcelona doesn't have electricity. I'm like, what? All of Barcelona? And then it resulted that all of Spain had not had electricity. It got back at midnight when I was sleeping and I woke up because all the lights were, like, on. I'm like, okay. But there's some thoughts in the human design community that is like, everything technologically has already been invented. You know, there's different kind of trains of thoughts around technology. So I think it's interesting also to have experienced. The first two hours were like, bliss. Like, what? My brain suddenly got quiet because there was no phone. There was nothing to do. I took a book and I read at, like one o'. Clock. I'm like, I took a book.

Tonya Papanikolov: Yeah.

Maike Gabriela: Yeah. I'm like, what am I doing with my life? I cannot update Instagram obsessively. Like, excuse me, what? It was so wild. It felt like how I grew up in the 90s. It was so bizarre that nobody could reach issue. Everybody was in the same position and there was a quieting of the noise. That was wild. After a couple of hours, thankfully, sometimes the Internet came back. So I was trying to understand what was happening, but that was crazy. And it also just makes you understand because of technology, like, you know how little I know about stuff since I have chat, GPT or the Internet. I don't think there's a lot of stuff stored in there anymore. So, like, what do I do in survival? I don't have a book on the library that's telling me how to get water out of a cactus. Like, I remember having that as a kid. And so. So I love technology and I think it's incredible, especially for the expansion of the future and our individual expression and freedom. But I think there's going to be back this poll. Like, I was listening to this interview today. I don't know what her last name is. Emma something. She's like this incredible entrepreneur who created skims for the Kim Kardashians and like, Good America and all of these things. Her story is incredible. She's British and she was saying like, yeah, all of this online Zoom thing is great. All of my company is online Zoom. Everybody lives somewhere else. And I. I freaking love it. I also don't control anything. I trust you. I have the most amazing team that I'm so grateful for. Actually, when you asked me in the beginning of the interview, I was like, should I say my team? Because I love, like, they're my children. I actually sometimes call them like my daughter when I'm talking to them. And I confuse their name with my daughter name because I have such a maternal instinct to them. And I'm like, I couldn't do it without them and I love them so much. But we're all spread around the world and I love to have that kind of business. But she was saying, like, like, I would not be able to have learned what I know if I wouldn't have been sitting with people in the room to have this dynamic energy. And I was like, you know what? Maybe 20, 26, I'm gonna manifest an office. It could also be like a really nice thing. So I think it's open to experiment with. I think, like, I love that you think like that because I very much think like that as well.

Tonya Papanikolov: I mean, yeah, my husband is like a technologist in some ways. He loves technology, but also he has this other side of him that's very, like, prepper. Like, we're gonna listen.

Maike Gabriela: We started growing a vegetable garden. I bought a 300 generator for electricity, just in case. Via Amazon, though.

Tonya Papanikolov: No, but it's actually like, there's a part of me that likes storing. I love, like, archives and stores of information. So it's like I'm imagining like, a binder of, like, information from ChatGPT.

Maike Gabriela: Yeah, but it's so true. Yeah. I mean, we have a library. My daughter goes to the library. But I'm like, we got rid of, like. Like, I don't know, where's the information? Like, I need to figure out what do I need to know when I don't have access to any.

Tonya Papanikolov: Totally. Like, lighting a fire is like basic skills.

Maike Gabriela: It's wild. Exactly. But it's so interesting to suddenly, from one day to the other, have it zipped away off, like, gone. And then being feeling like, yeah, what.

Tonya Papanikolov: Do I do with myself?

Maike Gabriela: Everybody was on the street. I live in the mountains, so we didn't have that. But the city center, people were having a blast. People were cooking for people, like, grill in the streets. Everybody was dancing, drink. Everybody got drun. Getting wasted. You could only pay via cash. People didn't have cash. Like, it's just crazy also to feel how reliant we are on these structures and from the human design system, these structures are going to fall away. This idea that you can call the police and there's somebody there might not be available. And it ties into this concept of, like, we're all going to create our own businesses. Think LinkedIn said that by 2030, it's going to be 86% of people being entrepreneurs. So. So you will be your own boss. You will still provide the service that you're really good at. So it's just interesting to see what happens when nobody will trade their time to, like, work at a supermarket as a cashier because they prefer to paint. So I think that transition is going to be interesting. And having that cut of electricity and no wi fi was wild. It was just so wild.

Tonya Papanikolov: Yeah. I keep seeing this grandmother, elder lady on Social who's like, creating.

Maike Gabriela: Is that the witch?

Tonya Papanikolov: I don't know. Actually. She's, like, creating content and, like, making music in her kitchen. And I'm just like, this is fucking awesome. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maike Gabriela: I think projectors just love the Internet because we get to see the plethora of people that exist.

Tonya Papanikolov: Yes.

Maike Gabriela: Yeah, I love it too.

Tonya Papanikolov: It's really cool. I would love to talk a Little bit about magnetism and this kind of storing of this in our auras. And I imagine also for a lot of people hearing this, who. Well, I think anybody on any point of their journey, it's always just like, how can I be bigger? How can I expand? Or there's some people listening that are like, whoa, I'm just hearing this for the first time and I feel like really out of alignment. What are some of the first steps people can take to build that magnetism, true magnetism in someone's energy field?

Maike Gabriela: So I really would say that for every energy type, it's going to be different. But the reason that I really loved human design the first time I heard of it was because it has. Has this differentiation with other esoteric practices and especially astrology. It's giving you a tangible tool. And that tangible tool is your strategy. And so your strategy is the way that you collaborate with the universe to remove resistance and find flow in the moment. That sometimes it's not about, what do I have to do to create magnetism? It's more like, how do I stop doing the stuff that is not authentic and that is dulling me down so that actually my light can shine? Right. It's not a lot of times, like, people hear about human design, it's like, oh, my God, there's another thing I have to do. We're doing inner child healing and pain work and trauma and therapy and like cold bath and like, red light. Like, that's so much. Give me a break. I want people to have fun with human design and experiment with the universe and be like, it's called the human design experiment for a reason. Like, you're here to try it out. I'm not here to tell you this is like your thing. It's definitely been my thing. And the thousands of readings that I've given have been transformational. But the strategy is the most impactful thing and it's something you can literally do. Right now I have a YouTube channel called the Human Design Portal, where you can watch so much valuable content for free. Please subscribe because that's the way that I keep growing. But you can go there and type in your energy type and look at the video that I have specific for your energy type. And I think everything that you need to know to start is going to be there. I think oftentimes we think, oh, to create magnetism, I have to meditate. Like, I was really into Kundalini Yoga, yoga, and that really created magnetism. And I'm like, I'm not less magnetic Because I stopped doing Kundalini yoga. You know, we have to love ourselves at a height of a thing and at a low of a thing. And I think we have to stop obsessing with needing to do things to achieve certain results. Like, it's okay if you're not meditating.

Tonya Papanikolov: 100. Yeah. I practice and teach, and I go through waves. I've never been like, I need to wear my. You know, the whole thing. Yeah. But it is a very transformative practice. And we're also moving out of that era where it's like, nope, if you don't wake up for your sadhana, you're not getting any of the benefits. It's just not true.

Maike Gabriela: Exactly, exactly. And it's the same with. With everything. You know, people get really obsessed with human design. And, like, you can look at your digestion, and you can look at the best environment, and then people are like, but my gay 26.3 and mercury. And I'm like, dude, if you're not happy, it's because you haven't understood your strategy. Get your strategy in order. The rest of the will come and flourish by itself. The thing with human design and energetic authenticity and this magnetism that comes with just owning who you are and being your whole authentic self, unapologetically, it is that there's this true subconscious fear of that who you truly are is not enough. To be loved, to be seen, to be recognized, to have success, to be healthy, to find your soulmate. And so that's what we're battling with. We're battling with, I want to. To wait for the invitation as a projector, but that sounds scary. That's not what I saw in my home. I saw my mom, you know, working three. Not my mom, but I'm just saying, like, I saw my mom working three jobs, struggling all the time. Like, what do you mean I have to wait for the invitation? I'm never gonna make money if I wait for the invitation. And I'm like, no, no. You're only gonna make the money that you actually want if you wait for the invitation, you're gonna struggle. You're gonna burn out if you constantly push because it's not energetically authentic to you. So you won't get what your soul needs because you're not collaborating with the universe to share your gift gifts. So it's like the limiting beliefs are keeping us stuck in what we think is the only way to get there. And then energetic authenticity is allowing you to actually be your full self. But embodying your full self is so scary because it's pushing us against those beliefs that we have.

Tonya Papanikolov: And sometimes, too, we're also just afraid of our power. We're afraid of what that comes with.

Maike Gabriela: Exactly. Because it changes the narrative. There's so many reasons. There's so many dynamics. You can be scared because if you become more successful than your parents, then then you're gonna blame your parents that they weren't able to do it better. There's so many nuances to what is keeping us stuck. But I think, especially for projectors, it's interesting, and I'm just sharing that because you're wording it in this specific way. Projectors have a bird's eyes view. So we're incredibly sensitive to seeing other people because we have a penetrative aura that's always looking at the soul of the person we have in front of us. And so because we're very light beings, we are able to take in so much and we see so much that sometimes when we're afraid of the power that we have to see everything, when it's scary, when we don't have courage, when we are uncertain or haven't built up the character to deal with what we see, we oftentimes try to keep ourselves heavy, try to keep ourselves out of our gifts. Oftentimes, projectors struggle with unwanted weight gain or with just overeating because that heaviness is keeping us grounded and is taking us away from being able to see everything that we're actually capable to see and moving us out of our gifts. Not saying that you should ever not eat enough. I'm not saying that. Always eat what you have to eat. But I'm just saying it's like a process a lot of projectors go through because they see so much, and it's too much sensitivity. And so we have these mechanisms to pull ourselves out of our gifts.

Tonya Papanikolov: When you say something like waiting for the invitation, I think sometimes that can get maybe misunderstood as not doing anything. How would you kind of communicate that to somebody?

Maike Gabriela: I think waiting invitation is such a.

Tonya Papanikolov: Honestly, I'm like, really?

Maike Gabriela: Really? This is what we're getting. So I love this reframe of creating invitations. The thing is, we're talking about energetics, and if, you know, Kundalini, one of the things that I learned is I do, like, you know, hot, hot, hot here. And then I suddenly get 2k extra in the back end of my business. And that just shows us that energetics, it's not an eye for an eye. Energetics is like, I do something like this, and Something happens in some other place and it kind of like is butterfly effect and everything's intertwined. And so with the projector, waiting for the invitation, what waiting for the invitation actually is, it's a self protective mechanism that allows you to remember how valuable your vision and wisdom is. Because we see all of these other entity types just spreading around their energy and giving, giving, giving, giving that. We think we have to operate that way. But then waiting for an invitation is like, no, you gotta shut up, you gotta spare that energy and just bring it out. Bring like your golden droplets of wisdom. Only when people are like literally on their knees begging you to give them information. So waiting for the invitation is. It's a mechanism that allows us to not forget our worth because we often lose sight of how important and how valuable our unique perspective is on certain things. And so waiting for the invitation is that very subtle energy. You don't have to wait for everything, but you do have to wait for sharing unique perspective that you have your gifts, dating and moving in together. So if you want to study something, if you want to move cross country, if you want to start a business, those are all things you don't need an invitation for. And sometimes you think you have an invitation. So with friends, there's often an open invitation. With projectors, that's why a lot of projectors just like hanging around other projectors because they know that there's an open invitation and it's not so hard. But yeah, it probably won't come in an envelope with your name written in gold in it. Something that you sense is something that you feel. I like to be overly cautious. I prefer to say nothing and then let the person really like come for it. And then I'll be like, okay, I'll share something. Because the feeling of saying stuff when you're not invited is so icky that I'm like, no, this feels so wrong. I don't like this feeling.

Tonya Papanikolov: When you think about, I guess your business putting content out, that is a way for people to find you, right? And no invitation there is needed, right? Like that space.

Maike Gabriela: No, actually that's how you create invitations. So the best thing that could happen to the projector, social media, maybe that's why we love it, because it's a way to showcase us without being pushy, without cold calling, without reaching people out. Every time somebody follows you, every time somebody comments, likes, whatever, that's their recognition. So the first step of the invitation is not the invitation and it's being recognized. That's why we crave being Recognized so much. We're like, hi, me. It's the protector. Can I help? I wanna. I. I know what to do. It's me in the background. And everybody's, like, ignoring you left and right, and all manifesting generators. And generators are like, you know, fighting for the cake. And you're like, hi. Hi. Hello. Because we don't have that energetic dominance to catch people's attention. So being able to showcase, even if you're looking for a regular job and you're not an entrepreneur and you, like, go to Fiverr, go to any place where you can just show what you do and work on really seeing yourself before you're trying to get other people to see you. And that will increase the magnetism, and that will make people find you.

Tonya Papanikolov: I love it. So what do you think is the ultimate destination of all of this?

Maike Gabriela: All of what, Tonya? That's a very deep question.

Tonya Papanikolov: Be more specific.

Maike Gabriela: Oh, God. Life. Death. Energetics. Design, business.

Tonya Papanikolov: It's true. I was going to say human design, but I mean, ultimately, it's the soul. It's the journey of the soul. So what do you think? Is there a pinnacle, expression or moment or alignment? But that's so dynamic.

Maike Gabriela: So my favorite way to look at this, in a way, is like weaving in, again, the kabbalistic side. So what I've done, because I've done human design for a really long time, and I feel like I've got it down, I started looking into the different branches that make it up, so I have a deeper understanding. And the last three years, I've been studying Kabbalah. And my favorite thing about this is really this understanding that we don't have that much free will, that we have been destined for this path that we have from the beginning of time, but that our only moment of being able to switch our destiny. Quantum leap, which I don't know why I hate quantum leaping. There's something about that word I feel it's like an illusion. You can't quantum leap. You have to work really hard. I really believe in effort. I'm a true believer in effort and differentiating yourself through effort. But this is a different conversation. Anyways. It is that every time we get triggered, every time there's pain, every time there's a rock bottom, there's a darkness of the soul. That is our moment for elevation. That is our moment to change our destiny. That is our moment to become the person we want to be. And so for me, life is just this constant expansion of experiences, learnings, and really getting back to the essence of who we are while we are up leveling and trying to fulfill the desires of our soul.

Tonya Papanikolov: I love that. I love chatting with you. You are such a wealth of energy.

Maike Gabriela: And thank you, Tonya.

Tonya Papanikolov: Knowledge and I just feel so infused and activated. So thank you. If you could leave our listeners with one message prayer wish, what would that be?

Maike Gabriela: This is so good. My favorite prayer is asking my highest self, God, the universe, the Creator, whatever, tell me where to go, tell me what to do, tell me what to say, allowing that higher guidance to move through you. And the thing that most impacted my life has been asking myself this one question. Actually, I'm going to do this one because I really love it. Asking myself, what do you have to do so that you are proud of yourself? Because in my client sessions with our therapists, with our friends, we can tell them anything we want, but the only person who knows the skeleton that you have hiding in your closet is you. And so the only person, person who knows if you're not starting that business because you don't like social media or actually because you're afraid of the judgment you might get on social media is you. I cannot know that for you. You know where you're playing small, you know where you're avoiding your responsibilities, you know where you're delegating shit, that it's your lesson to learn. And so really deeply being radically honest with yourself and every time there's a hard situation, asking yourself, who do you have to be so that you are proud of yourself completely changed my business, my personal life and everything because I started to become the person that I knew I can be proud of.

Tonya Papanikolov: I love that so much. Thank you. Thank you. What a delightful conversation.

Maike Gabriela: And thank you, Tonya, with such amazing questions.

Tonya Papanikolov: Oh, yeah, we're doing a giveaway together. But yes, we'll chat those details later and it might be over when people are listening. So thank you so much again.

Maike Gabriela: Thank you so much, Tonya.

 

Keywords:

human design, deconditioning, projectors, energetic authenticity, paradigm shift 2027, burnout recovery, soft power, magnetism, energetic boundaries, authenticity, self-acceptance

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